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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:14:02 -
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I liked the idea overall. Is all early game stuff. Not enough to make super power characters. If mechanics improved, it is an easy way to get proper small ships into roles without being possible to even come near us majors. Is sp transfer as well so no artificial addition of SP. Enjoy. It makes people happy and CCP money. It already happens plenty in the trading and sharing of characters.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
706
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:20:31 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Wow - Endeavouring to give me advice - Were you the business analyst that convinced CCP to sign off finance on dust and vampires?
Both were good at the time. Not many predicted the economic downturn which did affect CCP as well. Dust, personally I quite liked how it played. Even now, the design and concept of it is very solid. I say even on the level for professional E-sports. If it was updated to also be one of the PS4 release games, how fantastic would that have been?
Also, the vampire MMO would have been quite like eve. Smaller, but a devoted playerbase. A true online MMO with a real RPG section to it? I was really waiting. Myself and a group of friends seriously wanted to see what they were going to do. I know many others did as well. Would have been a game that could have been good for the non gamer crowd. Hard to judge without actually having the game.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.19 17:50:28 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Dust - CCP trying to compete in a fps market that recycles iteself every year (doomed)
Vampires - Insert comment (Divert core input cash from main income souce being eve and divert cash resources from sustaining core poduct into vampies) (doomed)
People still play older FPS. According to CCP, the arenas for DUST were procedurally generated and scalable as hardware increased. Potential for some pretty nice battles. Was a good gamble I say? Just execution problems.
The second part, that is a necessity for any business. Eve was doing well, they thought they had a plan. There was a market that wasn't tapped into. A fairly good market I would think. yeah, eve needed more infrastructure, but that gets into planning and development direction which could have definitely gone better.
All about return of investment. They figured that dollar to new player, vampire game was more than if they did stuff for eve. Only CCP knows the business strategy. I think what they did was sound, but the product was flawed.
I think of this...
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
708
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:23:16 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:I have a few problems with this mechanic.
1) Lets punish vets for having spent years training SP by not allowing them to buy SP at the same rate as everyone else.
2) Lets make the cost of SP subject to change by putting the players in control.
3) A system in which personally wealthy people have more benefit than others is not a good design.
4) Eve is officially P2W.
5) This is not going to benefit "new" players, but instead is going to benefit vets creating new characters to use them for dedicated tasks.
I really understand your concern. It was actually the first one that popped into my mind. I do not consider it P2W though. Talking like the equal of a week of training for a newb. This rate goes for up to a character two years old. After that, yes, it drops off. That keeps if from being a pay to win.
What will the costs be like? Currently, a person can instant buy a high pvp character off the bazaar. How much isk is the average price for one of these instant gratification toons plus a plex? How will it compare to a built character. In addition, the skill packets are created by sacrificing skill points. Some toon somewhere will be removing skills. Most likely bittervet alts who want isk. Though to get it, they need extractors that can only be used on toons a few months old preventing trial farming a fair bit.
I am a vet, there is no punishment here. My roles that I trained for, people already get by buying said character. This won't build power characters, but players doing well will just instead spend their isk to get that bump. Most likely to grab those last level V skills they don't want to wait for.
In the end, the vs wealthy, people won't notice. Those that more long term play to get their SP won't recognize the difference aside from seeing somebody newer with more SP. That doesn't change the fact that the supply is limited with players setting the cost of those items. Eventually, there will be a supply and demand equilibrium. Those that have nothing left to train for will sell off the unwanted SP once unused alts are farmed up. Somebody who wants to P2W won't be able to because I seriously doubt there will be the SP on the market to even make some 3 year equal toon.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
709
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Posted - 2015.10.20 01:48:58 -
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Dabby Holder wrote:The only reason I came here is the skullduggery and the backstabbing (socail) aspects of the game. THis is a social game. Not sure if SP gets in the way of this or not, but maybe it would make it easier to dfg into the side of eve?
Same here. SP doesnt affect the social aspect. What it does is get people into positions they cannot handle. Short term players might play longer, but since is not magic SP, I do not imagine it being some massive influx. Farming SP clones is no different than bodyfarm accounts for character bazaar. Problem is that now the account holder has a sub AND the aur. Cost to itemize the SP. Dollar for dollar, is better for em to just character xfer.
In end, will just be a one attribute maxed character will make them. Some newbs will buy it, and will be rare those that spend the coin to match a longer term player. Those that do, well same person. Worst case is a player who is good that can be part of a more hardcore community early. They though would probably want to earn with the coining to just bling that one long term skill or ship setup they really want.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
710
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:49:04 -
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ColdBeauty wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Some of this discussion seems to be based on a bit of confusion.
The skill extractor requires Aurum to obtain. You fill it with your skill points to turn it into a skill packet.
The skill packet would then be sold, for ISK, to another player.
The player that buys the skill packet only spends ISK. If you are good at EVE, and can make ISK, you can get all the skill points you want without spending any real money at all.
So is it really pay to win, when you do not need to pay any real money at all? It is because you can (use RL money) not because you don't have to (that made sense when I typed it) 
Is also the miner falsity that minerals are free. If a person wants to think that hours of play is worth investing in gaining an hour of training, then let em. Person who is a rich veteran wants to spend their trillion isk to gain a few skills they dont care about? Let them.
I have all the SP for skills that I care about. Anything else is kinda fluff. I suppose I can get a lvl 5 titan skill for my whole fortune....
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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